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Are these behaviours appropriate in the circumstances? I was at the supermarket with my other half yesterday and had left him for a few moments to get the veg. I looked over and saw a woman standing very close to him and touching him. I carried on getting the veg and just thought it was someone he knew. However, he never said anything when I returned. So I asked him and he told she'd come over and asked if she could say a prayer for him (he's just had shoulder surgery). He said I do attract them (meaning odd people, which he does). However, I'm left feeling confused, was her behaviour appropriate? A random women approaching and touching my husband in a supermarket to say a prayer? Is it (the prayer), that makes it ok, never had this happen before? Secondly, my friend was shopping for Christmas and in the high street two Christian women called her a "Sinner." Is this appropriate behaviour? Should any person be subject to this behaviour when going about their business? Or is it to be expected? We did have a giggle about it after. (I am a regular but remained anonymous as I thought I'd get honest answers which would be more helpful to me). Thanks in advance.
So "Good Intentions" is what the laying on of hands is labeled under . . . If you were to ask a fellow Christian. But inwardly it is out of self and NOT selflessness that they do this. It is from a "Holier then Thou" lofty place, where they have the "Power" and if you were to ask them why they were so assured of this, be prepared to get a Segway unto the "Sinner's Prayer" towards increasing the ranks, and thus establishing that much more of a confirmation bias . . .
I would say "No thank you. If you would like to pray for me in private, I cannot stop you, just as you cannot stop me silently hoping your belief system gets dismantled over the next couple of decades giving way to a more enlightened generation." . . . And then calmly walk away.
Regarding you friend branded a "Sinner" publically . . . I would stop and turn, and call them "Therouslyneds!" . . . Wait for them to ask what it means, then reply "It means just as much as the word 'sinner' . . A nonsensical word that might have a meaning to it's believers, but others should mock it. Feel free to mock my word as I am surely mocking yours . . . "
While I freely admit early texts convey actual meaning of the word Sin and sinner, it has lost it's earlier meaning of simply "Missing the Mark" . . . One might be so inclined after being called a sinner as to pick up snow and throw it at the person calling you that, and upon striking them reply . . . "Not any more. By Jove I've hit the mark spot on!"
Thank you, I'm not anti Christian nor atheist. I prayer for family members but do it in privacy of my home. It was the place and the boundaries I was confused about. I'd expect it in a church.
Thank you Tom, my hubby said his boil on his bottom hurt more than his arm, I said I doubt she'll put hands on that and we both laughed. My hubby is an atheist but a gentle soul, I do have a belief of sorts in God but it's my own personal belief, but I think her behaviour crossed boundaries. I must admit I have lived on this earth quite a few years and not come across either of these circumstances before. My issue was being approached and touched in a supermarket. And the negative nature of calling someone a "sinner" while they are going about minding business, this could serve to invite reactive behaviour. There has been a couple of jehovah witnesses in our high street with a stand for a number of years but never seen them bother anyone.
My hubby said to my friend you should of pretended you were hard of hearing and replied I'm a winner?" What have I won?" :D
PJ Stein your beliefs are similar to my own so very grateful for your input. I have no issue with people who I know praying for me, or if I'm in a environment where it's expected, but I do think as a stranger she crossed personal boundaries that everyone has, my hubby said he was shocked and didn't expect something like that to happen while he was standing next to the parships, which did make me laugh. Pick pocketing didn't even enter my head but you have a point. You're right my friend could have said "And your sinners too" but again it's the shock element, you don't expect it walking down your street.
Thanks Dark for your input and yours Happy.
Echoos loved your answer, it validated my gut response. As for what was said to my friend, I may walk down the high street tomorrow and see who this person is.
Big Big thank you for all your replies xx
Issue one---A random women approaching and touching my husband in a supermarket to say a prayer? Is it (the prayer), that makes it ok?
The prayer is not the problem. She could have been suggesting some sort of proprietary brand of vitamins to speed post surgery healing; and that brand may have worked so well for her that she feels an urgent need to share her personal "good news" (gospel).
Is that appropriate---suitable or proper in the circumstances? Occasionally, I "reach out" to people about certain things---a suggestion at a grocery store when i see someone hesitating between 2 similar items; a comment about how well a certain drug that has just been prescribed for one's daughter for her ADHD and which I have taken with great success when the mother is showing obvious signs of concern and hesitation; etc..
So while the topic and invasion of personal space---even with permission---is rather uncommon, I personally find it well within the range of acceptable---even if somewhat annoying---human interaction between strangers. After all, we are basically social beings.
Second issue---my friend was shopping for Christmas and in the high street two Christian women called her a "Sinner."
Not all "crazy" people are receiving the care needed---you are definitely going to run into them at random.
At least they are just attaching you with words and not a machete.
I am not fond of strangers touching me or my family, religious or well being intentions or not. I am not a religious person in as I don't belong to a church, but I do believe there is something beyond this life. I don't push my beliefs on others and I am not a fan of having other people push theirs on me. With all that said, I have had people pray for me. Some who have laid on hand on my arm or shoulder. I tend to follow my gut instinct on who I allow and who I don't. I was raised that if someone wants to wish you well, you are polite and say thank you. However I am not a fool and know that some people will use that as a ruse to pickpocket you.
As for some over zealous Christian calling strangers sinners out on the street. I just tell them it takes one to know one. As they are not following their own bible. There are several places in the bible that says not judge others. Where I am from there is a group that stands on the main intersection of downtown every Friday evening and yell at the people walking by or at the cars stopped for the light. They are rather aggressive and tell people they are going to hell because they don't go to their church. People have complained for years about them. However they have a first amendment right to be there. Other churches that have become tired of the groups aggressive tactics have also started to go down there and are holding signs of a more peaceful nature and after people are yelled at the other churches apologize and tell people that is not proper Christian behavior. Last time I drove through at that time there were fewer people of both groups.
I would never call a person a sinner like that. That was rude, uncalled for, judgemental and inappropriate. I actually chuckled at the witty comeback from Echooos and think that person would deserve a response like that. I am not a fan of people coming to my house trying to force their religion on me. I have my own beliefs and know NO one will change my mind. Knowing that about me, I would never try to change someone else's mind. However I AM guilty of approaching a stranger (or two) asking if I could pray for them.... Getting permission before ever putting my hand upon them. Would the situation be different had she ASKED if she could lay hands on your husband to pray for his shoulder? I believe so because as an atheist he would have been able to say no or I don't think so or not my thing or whatever he choses. So yes, she did do something wrong by touching him without asking him if it was okay first.