Darik Majoren

Is withholding information the same as Lying? In this question, there would be no inquiry to the part being withheld . . . It is simply left out of the conversation.

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HappyTo BeHereTo Profile

That depends on the circumstances.  Sometimes it's irrelevant drivel that should be omitted to keep the conversation flowing or on track.  Sometimes it's private stuff that's nobody's business.

But sometimes people leave out important information to conceal or manipulate.  I use motive when determining if it's a lie of omission or tact.

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HappyTo BeHereTo
HappyTo BeHereTo commented
I know too many like that. Let me rephrase that. I KNEW too many like that. They're not in my life anymore. Silly waste of my energy.
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
RIGHT? . . . when did we become so suddenly aware of that? I recall wasting so much energy in my youth . . . now there is a real "Cost to Benefit" thing that goes on in my head with relationships in my life . . . I think I shaved half of my Facebook contacts right off the map!
HappyTo BeHereTo
HappyTo BeHereTo commented
It sets you free!
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PJ Stein answered

I am with Joy. I think it really depends on the information and why it is being withheld. My family tends to hold back medical news until we have more information. There is no need to worry people unnecessarily.

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Interesting, so to spare worry or stress of other family members, you would opt for not disclosing every medical detail. I can see that.

When my father was diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer, I asked if I could inform my sisters of his illness. He told me absolutely not. Even his case worker came to see me, and said I had "Power of Attorney" and I could wave his wishes . . . so I invited the case worker into my father's hospice room and I said, test him to see if he's cognitive . . she did and then I said Ask HIM if he wants to tell my sisters and then ask him WHY if he says "no".
She did and was very surprised by his answers.
I finally wore him down when he was done his radiation therapy and my oldest sister has not forgiven me to this day.
Michael Poland Profile
Michael Poland answered

Plosible deniability.

Darik Majoren Profile
Darik Majoren answered

To me, lying refers to something where a question is asked and false information is provided OR . . . incomplete information is provided to alter the outcome or overall information purposefully and with ill intent.

It also goes to relevancy of the topic . . .

"What did you do today?"

"Pretty much the same old thing." . . . . Pretty much gives license to not Exactly the same old thing . . . Could be anything from rescuing a kitten from a well, to spending $200 at a strip club . . .

"What falls under Pretty Much?" . . .

"Oh nothing really . . . I found a kitten stuck in a well . . . No biggy."

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Yin And Yang
Yin And Yang commented
Madam X is laughing hysterically at me cuz it was ummm designed to reach front and back and my naive thrifty self had no clue. She was more curious about the material it was made out of (medically would it be safe basically) so she is squeezing the shaft up and down and I am still so embarrassed..... as she is squeezing there is a KNOCK on my window and I screamed "madam X! Get me the hell out of here! Go go go go!!!!" She's laughing so hard she can't find the reverse on her car. I am screaming "put it in reverse!!! Get me out of here!" Never once looking at the knocker until she finally found reverse and we high tailed it out of there. The dude was asking if we had a light for his cigarette but ummm oh man I don't even WANT to know what he thought was going on. We laughed for years after that. It definitely was what we needed after our losses. A GOOD LAUGH!
Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
LOL! That was TOO Funny!
Thanks for those stories.
Yin And Yang
Yin And Yang commented
Yes I have "that kind of luck." Back in the WAY day.... As a joke my sister in law got a toy as a gag gift from a co-worker. My older sister.... she was crazy! Let's just say she lived out her life! LOL! So she had a toy and my younger sister thought it would be funny to have one so she went to Spencers and bought one. It turned out that at some point all of the ladies in my family had one (gag gifts or freaky it didn't matter) but they named em. Well shoooooot I didn't want to be left out of the "club" so the next time we were at the mall my sisters dragged me in the store to get one. I am trying my hardest to look as inconspicuous as possible. My sisters chuckling saying "Don't worry Yin, the cashiers don't even notice people purchasing these. Its just like buying tampons!" So I get a little more brave and I see an interesting one in a box. Just as I picked up the box IT CAME TORPEDOING OUT AT MY SISTER AND I SCREAMED CUZ I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT TO SHOOT OUT! My ummmmm inconspicuous trip to be part of the "club" didn't turn out as inconspicuous as I thought as EVERY ONE in the store turned to see what the screams were from! Pffft!
Tom  Jackson Profile
Tom Jackson answered

I would make a distinction between social vs legal situations.

The italics are a summary from Wikipedia---note the requirement to tell the whole truth.

In legal situations, sworn testimony is evidence given by a witness who has made a commitment to tell the truth. If the witness is later found to have lied whilst bound by the commitment, they can often be charged with the crime of perjury. The types of commitment can include oaths, affirmations and promises which are explained in more detail below. The exact wording of the commitments vary from country to country.  In the USA, the form of the oath is "Do you solemnly (swear/affirm) that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, (so help you God/under pains and penalties of perjury)

As some have indicated above, questions that are commonly part of social exchange (which frequently are part of the stoke economy) have a wide range of acceptable answers and they are not to be construed as given under oath.

So---"No."

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Darik Majoren
Darik Majoren commented
Thanks Thomas, and I might add that it the responsibility of the Defense or the Prosecution to come up with a line of questioning that would entail the entirety of the information they are trying to receive from the testimony.
So if they do their job correctly, they will cover enough bases to either get the person in a position where they can either divulge what they are looking for or outright purjer themselves
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Sure---since you asked the question, I figured you knew the answer.
Yin And Yang Profile
Yin And Yang answered

There is a clear distinct difference between male and female brains. My husband likes to tease me saying "Yin I don't need to hear that the fly landed on the wall when you are reeling a story." He is simple, likes it to get straight to the point so he can fix or handle. Me on the other hand seem to find myself asking "why didn't you tell me that part!" Or "when we're you gonna tell me this!" Meaning he NEEDS to tell me the fly landed on the wall sometimes! Lol! So to answer your question, male and female brains put aside, I agree with Joy and everyone else.... It is the intend behind the ommision.

Call me Z Profile
Call me Z answered

Not by definition. 

A lie is an intentional falsehood, incomplete disclosure isn’t.  

If information being withheld enables the lie, then it’s an accessory to the lie, and in my book, equally culpable. 

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
I assume that everyone will slant what they say to their advantage or at least to maintain their self image. Sometimes simple and accurate and true facts will accomplish that. Sometimes they won't.

I also assume that we get better as we get older in realizing that a good portion of what is said has very little to do with the reality of what actually happened.

Fortunately, most day to day interaction in my life is no more critical than "Nice (or lousy) weather, isn't it?
Call me Z
Call me Z commented
I agree. Its human nature, right? People want to appear worthy in the eyes of others. What’s a little embellishment on so small a thing...

I do think its of great benefit as we get older to pursue challenging discourse where possible, to prevent the aging mind from glazing over. Excessive small talk can actually leave me feeling numb.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
I agree entirely.

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